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      <title>Canadian Scientists Must Speak Out Despite Consequence, Says Andrew Weaver</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>			
			<description><![CDATA[&#8220;If people don&#8217;t speak out there will never be any change,&#8221; says the University of Victoria&#8217;s award-winning climate scientist Andrew Weaver.&#160; And the need for change in Canada, says Weaver, has never been more pressing. &#8220;We have a crisis in Canada. That crisis is in terms of the development of information and the need for...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure><img width="320" height="480" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AWeaverLR.jpg" class="attachment-banner size-banner wp-post-image" alt="" decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" srcset="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AWeaverLR.jpg 320w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AWeaverLR-313x470.jpg 313w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AWeaverLR-300x450.jpg 300w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/AWeaverLR-13x20.jpg 13w" sizes="(max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px" /><figcaption><small><em></em></small></figcaption></figure> <p>&ldquo;If people don&rsquo;t speak out there will never be any change,&rdquo; says the University of Victoria&rsquo;s award-winning climate scientist Andrew Weaver.&nbsp;</p>
<p>And the need for change in Canada, says Weaver, has never been more pressing.</p>

	&ldquo;We have a crisis in Canada. That crisis is in terms of the development of information and the need for science to inform decision-making. We have replaced that with an ideological approach to decision-making, the selective use of whatever can be found to justify [policy decisions], and the suppression of scientific voices and science itself in terms of informing the development of that policy.&rdquo;

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	Since 2007 &ndash; when the Harper government established strict communications procedures for federal scientists &ndash; journalists, academics and scientific organizations have watched the steady decline of government transparency as a message management strategy usurps what was once the free flow of federal scientific information.

	&nbsp;

	<strong>Why Government Science Matters</strong>

	&nbsp;

	There are three ways science is conducted in Canada, says Weaver: in universities, in private industry, and in government laboratories. As far as industry is concerned, he says, research is conducted for the purpose of shareholder profit or to advance the position of the company in one way or another.&nbsp;

	&nbsp;

	Academic research &ndash;conducted in universities by professors and graduate students &ndash; is what Weaver calls &ldquo;curiosity driven research.&rdquo;&nbsp;

	&nbsp;

	Federal government research is &ldquo;research done in the public good.&rdquo;&nbsp;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;There are certain projects, long term monitoring for example, that will never get done at a university where you have students come and go and university professors move,&rdquo; says Weaver. &ldquo;These projects will also not be done by industry where they might not necessarily be in the best interests of some shareholders if, for example, the company gets bought up or moved.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	Weaver says the burden of public-interest research lies solely with the government. It is the only entity suited to the challenge of transforming evidence-based science into improved public policy. It is also the government&rsquo;s opportunity to demonstrate to the public where their hard-earned tax dollars are being directed.&nbsp;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;It&rsquo;s important for the taxpayer to know what their funding is being used for,&rdquo; says Weaver. &ldquo;When the government is conducting science it is fundamentally important that taxpayers knows what science is being done and also that other scientists know what science is being done so science can evolve.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	Two things happen when science communication is suppressed, he adds. The first is science fails to evolve. The second is that &ldquo;public interest or public value in science diminishes.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	The suppression of scientific communication we are seeing in Canada, says Weaver, &ldquo;can be viewed as undermining the role of science in society and the role of science in decision-making.&rdquo; There is an underlying explanation for this, he says. It is the current government&rsquo;s energy superpower agenda, where science &ldquo;can at times conflict with approaches to policy making.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	Therein lies the rub. &ldquo;This is why scientists in both universities and at the federal level are so aghast at what has been going in Canada during the last few years. It&rsquo;s the muzzling of scientists, the shutting down of key federal science programs that were involved in monitoring for the public good, and the reliance of the government on industry to do monitoring for itself. As a member of the general public this concerns me.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	This concerns Weaver most because of the crucial relationship between science and democracy. &ldquo;Science can never proscribe policy,&rdquo; he says. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s really important that scientists and the public know that. Science never says this is the policy we should implement. But what science is there to do is to inform those policy discussions. You make the policy based on evidence.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;What you cannot do in a democratic society is suppress evidence because then you&rsquo;re into propaganda and ideology. And this is what is happening in Canada. Evidence used to inform society &ndash; to determine whether we are in favour of a policy or not &ndash; is suppressed. And the media&rsquo;s access to that evidence is suppressed.&rdquo;

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	&ldquo;The fallout is that media can no longer serve the role it should in a functioning democratic society: to inform the general public about the issues involved in making policy and to hold our elected leaders accountable for the information and policies that they put in place.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;We have a problem,&rdquo; says Weaver, when the &ldquo;silencing of science throws a wedge into our democratic process.&rdquo;

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	<strong>&ldquo;We Cannot Stand By&rdquo;</strong>

	&nbsp;

	Weaver says that federal scientists, especially those recently ousted from their public servant positions, are ideally situated to oppose what many have characterized the Harper government&rsquo;s attack on science.&nbsp;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;I do not accept that they cannot speak out. I think they need to muster the courage to tell it like it is. There are federal scientists who can tell it like it is. I recognize that there are consequences but you know what? This is a crisis and you can&rsquo;t rely on a few individuals outside the federal government to speak up.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	Get the public sector employees union engaged, says Weaver, and &ldquo;stop cowering behind the fa&ccedil;ade of &lsquo;I can&rsquo;t speak or I&rsquo;ll be disciplined.&rsquo;&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	Weaver, these days, is in no mood to entertain silence because of the threat of reprimand. The stakes are just too high and the need for change too great. Even the public, says Weaver, is fighting on the scientists&rsquo; behalf. For that and many other reasons scientists cannot ignore their own plight. &ldquo;They need to get engaged.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;I feel strongly about that because when anybody speaks up, of course, there are always consequences. But if people don&rsquo;t speak out there will never be any change.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	No matter our mild-mannered reputation, &ldquo;we cannot stand by and watch what is happening to our scientific institutions and to the role of federal government science without standing up.&rdquo; The days of protecting one&rsquo;s own little turf and hoping someone else&rsquo;s will be cut are over, says Weaver. In particular, the cuts are so deep and so devastating to monitoring programs that &ldquo;everyone needs to recognize that what is happening in Canada is hurting all Canadians and we need to work together on this.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	One need only point to the systematic dismantling of Canada&rsquo;s ocean contaminants program to see what Weaver means. In May, the Harper government announced the marine contaminants program had to go. More than 50 employees were told their services had been terminated effective April 1, 2013. The loss of this program came with a massive reduction of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, which lost over 1,000 employees in one fell swoop.

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;Look what is happening,&rdquo; says Weaver. &ldquo;We&rsquo;re shutting down the ocean contaminants program in Canada, right across the nation. Canada no longer has a marine contaminants program. Oh, that&rsquo;s convenient. Why would we want such programs when we might find nasty things, nasty toxins in the water that might actually cause us to not put pipelines across British Columbia or put tankers on the coast?&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	This is the cost of our silence, according to Weaver. &ldquo;This is what happens when people don&rsquo;t speak out. The next is the smokestack emissions group shut down. Why? We don&rsquo;t want to monitor those emissions. Let industry monitor those emissions. We have the Experimental Lakes Area shut down. Why? We&rsquo;d rather have industry look at that, we don&rsquo;t need pristine areas for federal government and other scientists to work at.&rdquo;

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	<strong>Canada on the International Stage</strong>

	&nbsp;

	While the Harper government scales back the science in the country, we seem to be ramping up production of unconventional fuel sources, both with fracking for shale gas, most notably in B.C. and Alberta, and with the extraction of tar sands bitumen. At the same time, Canada has experienced a considerable flagging of the nation&rsquo;s reputation on the international stage. Canada, once widely beloved as a peace-keeping bastion of diplomatic good will, is now seen on the world stage as a climate laggard, saboteur of the Kyoto Accord, and obstructionist of international environmental talks.

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;It&rsquo;s embarrassing,&rdquo; says Weaver. &ldquo;It&rsquo;s quite sad.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	Like many Canadians, Weaver remembers a time when American backpackers would pin Canadian flags on their bags. &ldquo;Things are a little different now,&rdquo; he says.

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;As Canadians we&rsquo;re not viewed like we were in the past. We&rsquo;re viewed like we have a government that believes we are more militaristic than other nations; a nation that is built on the exploitation of a natural resource; that come hell or high water were going to extract and sell to Asia and that we don&rsquo;t really care about environmental issues.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;This does not bode well for Canada&rsquo;s long term international influence.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	The fact that the Prime Minister and his administration seem hell-bent on removing any obstacles to tar sands expansion and exports seems to confirm the negative sentiments. &ldquo;We&rsquo;re so myopic in our vision that we&rsquo;re just going to get that bitumen out of the ground, we&rsquo;re going to ship it in pipelines to Asia as fast as we can. Let&rsquo;s get it out, make money now. Who cares about the future, or future generations? Let&rsquo;s do it now, for today. Let&rsquo;s live the high life now.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	<strong>&ldquo;This is not economically sustainable, this is not fiscally sustainable, this is not socially sustainable and this is not environmentally sustainable. This is madness.</strong> But this is what we&rsquo;re doing in Canada and this is the path our current government is taking while removing any barriers that might actually stop it from happening.&rdquo;

	&nbsp;

	&ldquo;This is a crisis of democracy.&rdquo;

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      <title>Retreat from Science: Interview with Federal Scientist Peter Ross Part 1 of 2</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>			
			<description><![CDATA[When the Harper government announced deep funding cuts to science programs across the country, the Institute of Ocean Sciences, one of Canada&#39;s largest marine institutes located in Sidney, B.C., was among those research outfits hurt as a result. Lead research scientist Peter Ross is one of more than one thousand Department of Fisheries and Oceans...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure><img width="342" height="480" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS.jpg" class="attachment-banner size-banner wp-post-image" alt="" decoding="async" srcset="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS.jpg 342w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-335x470.jpg 335w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-321x450.jpg 321w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-14x20.jpg 14w" sizes="(max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px" /><figcaption><small><em></em></small></figcaption></figure> <p>When the Harper government announced deep funding cuts to science programs across the country, the <a href="http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/facilities-installations/ios-ism/index-eng.htm" rel="noopener">Institute of Ocean Sciences</a>, one of Canada's largest marine institutes located in Sidney, B.C., was among those research outfits hurt as a result. Lead research scientist Peter Ross is one of more than one thousand Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) employees who discovered their position had been terminated.</p>
<p>Peter Ross is no lab coat-wearing, science nerd. At least, not entirely. He&rsquo;s an oceanic adventurer and Canada&rsquo;s preeminent orca expert. He <a href="http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/Publications/article/2006/02-01-2006-eng.htm" rel="noopener">discovered things about West Coast orcas </a>that have transformed common marine mammal knowledge around the globe. &nbsp;</p>
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<p>Orcas on the west coast of British Columbia will no longer be monitored for contamination once Peter Ross' research concludes this spring. Come April Canada will no longer have a federal marine contaminants research program anywhere in the nation. Photo credit: Brian Grisborne, used with permission.</p>
<p>When you dismantle science and research programs, says Ross, you are doing much more than limiting your capacity for science and research: you restrict your capacity to engage with your environment, the source of social well-being and a flourishing economy. And you cripple your decision-making capabilities by disregarding the line that separates fact-driven, science-based decision-making from ideology or profit.</p>
<p>And that&rsquo;s what bothers Ross so much about the Harper government&rsquo;s recent decision to shutter many of Canada&rsquo;s prestigious scientific institutions. It&rsquo;s not simply a matter of budgetary restraint or the restructuring of federal bodies. It limits science pursued in the public interest.</p>
<p>This is part 1 of an interview with Peter Ross. Part 2 available <a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/21/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-2-2">here</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Carol Linnitt:</strong> <em>Hello, Peter. So, let me jump right in. The reason I&rsquo;m calling is because I&rsquo;d like to talk to you about the cancelled funding for the Institute of Ocean Sciences.</em></p>
<p><strong>Peter Ross:</strong> Yes, so the Institute will still be open, it's a large Institute, but the marine contaminants program has been axed.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And has that already happened?</em></p>
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<p><strong>PR:</strong> We're still here, but we're winding down, so, in effect, probably by the springtime we'll be shut down.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And how many employees will that be? I know that you&rsquo;re heralded as Canada&rsquo;s only marine mammal toxicologist, but is there a team that you work with?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Yes, there are 55 full time staff nationally that consist of scientists, technicians and chemists, and they&rsquo;re scattered across the country. There&rsquo;s nine of us here in Sidney, B.C., probably the same number in Winnipeg for the Arctic, and then a number in Rimouski, Quebec, and a few in a couple of spots in the Maritimes.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And so by the time the spring hits, all of those . . .</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Will be gone. Probably one quarter are already gone.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So what happens when these positions get cut? Are scientists fired? Are they moved into new positions?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> That will vary. Essentially you get a letter saying that your services are no longer required, and you have three choices. One is to resign, and you've got 120 days to do so. Another is to take educational leave, which gives you two years of leave without pay, to go to school again and retrain, and then you can come back and re-apply for a new position. The third is you can apply for a position that may be open in the government right now. But you would have to work on something other than what you trained for.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And what positions are coming open right now?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Well there's a fair bit of downsizing in the government right now, so there aren&rsquo;t a lot of jobs coming open. And for some, like myself, who are trained as research scientists, there are really no jobs coming open. I've been told that my expertise is not wanted within the government. So that&rsquo;s sort of a mixed answer. I think some of the technical staff will be more likely to find success regaining employment within government because they&rsquo;re a bit more versatile in terms of training. But for someone like me, no, there&rsquo;s very little hope that there will be any position for me, unless I want to go into management.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>What&rsquo;s the difference between a technician and a research scientist?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Training. A research scientist has a Ph.D., and within the government your job is to do ground breaking research, which you publish in international journals. You become the government&rsquo;s expert in that field, so you are appraised every year in terms of your performance, And your performance is based on the number of publications you appear in and their impact on public policy. A technician may be someone working in a laboratory or in the field, but in a supporting role for a research program, led by the research scientist.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>Does that mean that if there&rsquo;s an overall reduction in research positions, Canada is taking a step back as a country within the international scientific community?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Well, you know science is a funny thing, and it&rsquo;s often hard to do justice in defining it or describing it to a lay-audience. I think science is different things to different people. When I look at the kind of research that I do, I work for the government. I work for the Crown. I work for the taxpayer. I work on projects for which I have to raise and attract money. These are projects that ultimately help us to manage and protect our oceans. So when I look at the work that I am interested in getting involved in, or that I&rsquo;ve attracted funds to support. I&rsquo;m ultimately asking, &lsquo;Does it help me to better understand the ocean? Will it empower us to manage or protect our ocean resources?&rsquo;</p>
<p>If I were at a university I might do similar research, but I&rsquo;m less likely to be wed to the idea that I have to protect Canada or Canadian natural resources. Or that I have to work within the confines of a mission, a mandate, and legislative framework such as the Oceans Act, Species at Risk Act or Fisheries Act. So the way I go about science will be similar to an academic, but the context and the implications of my work will differ quite a bit, because I am on the hook and responsible for a certain file. If it emerges as an issue in Canada, if there is a public outcry about a certain chemical, process or industry, and the minister&rsquo;s office calls down for advice from us, or need answers fast, I would be one of those people that would have to jump. If I was at university, I wouldn&rsquo;t be compelled to do the same</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So your position is where the scientific rubber meets the policy road?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> I think so, yes. Ultimately, the government isn&rsquo;t in the position of just spending money on research and development for the sake of spending money on science and knowledge. It likes to know what kind of research gets done and that it will improve the government&rsquo;s ability to protect Canadians, wildlife, natural resources, Canadian sovereignty, all of those things. And that would be different for a faculty member at a university. They might have such aims, but they are not required to think in those terms.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>I see. I was speaking with Andrew Weaver from the university of Victoria recently, and he broke the nature of science production into three categories: industry-funded science, academic curiosity-driven science, and government taxpayer-funded science in the interest of the public good. He said that if we&rsquo;re seeing reductions in science being pursued for the public good, then science really gets left to industry and the academy, and neither of those have the same obligation to the public and to taxpayers.</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Well that&rsquo;s right. Industry is not going to say, &ldquo;I want to look at all ninety thousand chemicals on the Canadian market, and every problem in the ocean.&rdquo;&nbsp; What industrial sector is going to pick up that file? None. What industry can be very good at is monitoring certain effluents, or a pipe that&rsquo;s discharging contaminants within a certain sector &ndash; something that&rsquo;s really focused on a certain activity. Otherwise why would they pay for it? They&rsquo;re only going to pay for the kind of monitoring or research that has a direct bearing on the performance of their specific economic sector.</p>
<p>That&rsquo;s where government science is very different. I am, for example, looking at marine mammals and marine mammals aren&rsquo;t being contaminated because of a single sector. They are getting contaminated because of thousands of different sources of thousands of different chemicals in Canada, the United States, and internationally. And so, all these chemicals are essentially accidents or mistakes or processes that are leading to contamination of the ocean, and some of these chemicals build up in food webs and mammals.</p>
<p>Someone like me comes along and says, &ldquo;Okay, that&rsquo;s what I&rsquo;m finding, now what does that mean? Is it affecting the health of the population? And if so, where is this chemical or that chemical, or that other chemical coming from? Is it banned in Canada? Is it used as a pesticide in agriculture? Has it come from pulp mills? Does it come from sewage effluents?&rdquo; And then we track these things down and work with regulators in Ottawa and Washington, D.C. We would also potentially work with the industry that is producing the compound, or releasing it. We work with regional governments, and the province. So ultimately, what we try to do within government is that kind of 'ecosystem' approach to science, or habitat-based approach to science. That approach would be of little interest to an industrial sector. It&rsquo;s highly focused.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So if we&rsquo;re talking about something like research into contaminants in marine species, and we see a large reduction in research scientist positions, what will happen? Does it get dropped? Does it mean that we&rsquo;ll no longer be studying this issue?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> That&rsquo;s correct.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So, no one is studying the contamination of marine environments and mammals once you close up?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Well it&rsquo;s up to whomever to do whatever they want right now. There is no leadership, there&rsquo;s no guidance, there&rsquo;s no instruction, there&rsquo;s no requirement. The only thing that&rsquo;s going to make somebody interested in working on this is going to be money. Who&rsquo;s going provide the money?&nbsp; This kind of work is very expensive. You can&rsquo;t go out in the ocean and understand what&rsquo;s going on without access to boats, expensive sampling gear and partners in multiple sectors to help you understand all the other processes that are important from the perspective of pollution. This applies whether it's ocean currents, ocean productivity, or the life history of different species or food web structures.</p>
<p>The lab work is very expensive. We have two lines of research that we have been applying routinely in our study designs. One is, what are the health implications of the chemicals to which they're exposed? That&rsquo;s toxicology. That&rsquo;s looking at the health of salmon, the health of seals, the health of killer whales, and it is very difficult, very expensive work. The other involves what chemicals they are exposed to. That&rsquo;s chemistry. We have to get samples from animals, measure those chemicals, and it can cost two thousand dollars to measure a single sample. So if we eliminate these programs, the work is going to be left up to people other than government, which means universities or industry. Somebody might do something, but are they going to be compelled to be responsible for everything? No.</p>
<p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>It&rsquo;s not just your outfit that&rsquo;s had its funding cut and positions lost. This is happening all across Canada, with similar research. What is the significance of that for Canada?</em></p>
<p><strong>PR:</strong> Well I think that it&rsquo;s easy to ignore research and science when one is operating in the mainstream of Canadian public life or society.&nbsp; We often don&rsquo;t see the immediate benefits or applications of science. I think we forget that the well being of our human population, our quality of life, is largely dependent on a healthy environment. And I think we often forget that it&rsquo;s scientific research that has led us to discover and uncover a lot of that wealth and to harness it. But we ignore it when that same science also identifies limits to our wealth generation, development, or ways in which we can channel development so that it&rsquo;s constructive and not negatively impacting aspects of society or the economy.</p>
<p>I think we often forget the inherent and intrinsic value of science and how it does, and has, contributed to the Canada we know today. If we start to ignore scientists and the expertise within the Canadian scientific establishment, we will be losing the ability to manage our future success, the ability to understand threats to the Canadian way and the ability to adapt and grow. We will, I think, lose a little bit of control over our future. It&rsquo;s by having our finger on the pulse of what&rsquo;s happening in the ocean, the freshwater environment or terrestrial habitats that allows us to provide advice that will help us manage those things and to maintain vibrant economies associated with the coastal waters, the oceans, freshwater ecosystems, or terrestrial environments. So I think it&rsquo;s diminishing our ability to adapt, to manage, to predict, and to maintain the investment that we have in the Canadian way of life.</p>
<p>Read <a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/21/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-2-2">Part 2 of Retreat from Science</a>.</p>
<p>Cover Image Credit: Lizzy Moss, used with permission.</p>

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