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      <title>Failure to Monitor Ocean Pollution Risks Health of First Nations</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>			
			<description><![CDATA[A decade ago a group of First Nations communities on Vancouver Island approached Health Canada and asked whether it was safe to eat the foods, like wild salmon, or harbour seals, that make up a traditional diet. Health Canada did not have the answer, but introduced these communities to a Department of Fisheries and Oceans...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure><img width="640" height="427" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_1748.jpg" class="attachment-banner size-banner wp-post-image" alt="" decoding="async" fetchpriority="high" srcset="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_1748.jpg 640w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_1748-300x200.jpg 300w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_1748-450x300.jpg 450w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/IMG_1748-20x13.jpg 20w" sizes="(max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px" /><figcaption><small><em></em></small></figcaption><hr></figure><p>A decade ago a group of First Nations communities on Vancouver Island approached Health Canada and asked whether it was safe to eat the foods, like wild salmon, or harbour seals, that make up a traditional diet. Health Canada did not have the answer, but introduced these communities to a Department of Fisheries and Oceans scientist named&nbsp;<a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/21/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-2-2">Peter Ross</a>&nbsp;who made it his mission to find out.<p>	Dr. Ross worked his <a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/21/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-2-2">last day as a government employee</a> in late August, which officially brings his study on the contamination of traditional seafoods to an end. At the sixth annual<a href="http://www.indigenousfoodsvi.ca/" rel="noopener">&nbsp;Vancouver Island Traditional Food Conference</a>, Ross expressed the significance of this:&nbsp;coastal aboriginal peoples will be the&nbsp;<em>first</em>&nbsp;to feel the effects of the DFO&rsquo;s reduced capacity study ocean pollution in Canada.</p><p>An elder named&nbsp;Ipswa Mescacakanis&nbsp;described the cutbacks to DFO and ocean pollution research in particular as a broken trust. "The government of Canada has promised us access to food, to safe food, and culturally appropriate food. We can no longer be sure if the food we eat is safe."</p><p><!--break--></p><p>The community&nbsp;Mescacakanis has lived in for 30 years,&nbsp;the&nbsp;<a href="http://www.snuneymuxw.ca/" rel="noopener">Snuneymuxw First Nation</a>, has seen the direct benefits of scientific research. One of the important traditional shellfish gathering places for the&nbsp;Snuneymuxw&nbsp;is in the Nanaimo River estuary, not far from a pulp mill.</p><p>	The discovery that the use of liquid chlorine to bleach paper contaminated some seafoods near pulp mills led to a ban on this process in 1989,&nbsp;<a href="http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-92-269/index.html" rel="noopener">under the Fisheries Act</a>. Levels of dioxins and furans have dropped considerably in seafoods like those harvested by from the Nanaimo River Estuary since this ban was put in place.</p><p>Mescacakani says that kind of science is now out of reach for his people. He says many people from his, and other First Nations communities rely on locally foraged food in large part because of economic hardship.</p><p>	&ldquo;Non-aboriginals buying their seafood from a grocery store have the benefit of science,&rdquo; he says. &ldquo;Industrial seafood operations like the Nanaimo clam deprivation system, for example, happen in areas where pollution is easy to control and monitor. Either that or major seafood harvesting operations occur well offshore in areas not affected by pollution.&rdquo;</p><p>According to Dr. Ross's preliminary research, the average person living in a First Nation's community on Vancouver Island eats 55kg of seafood each year. That's 15 times as much seafood as the "average" Canadian. So Health Canada guidelines about what is safe to eat, says Ross, don't necessarily apply to those people whose diet is so far from the average Canadian.</p><p>The&nbsp;<a href="http://environmentalcontaminants.ca/" rel="noopener">First Nations Environmental Contaminants Program</a> which initially helped to fund Ross's work on traditional foods continues to offer $900 thousand annually in grants. However, Ross says that without the backing of a lab he can not continue the work.</p><p>	"When it comes to testing for&nbsp;PCBs, organochlorine pesticides, dioxins, furans and PBDEs, which is what we're interested in when it comes to seafood, a private lab would charge more than $2000 per sample," says Ross. "You can see that with three oceans plus all the freshwaters in between (and other foods, such as game), $900 thousand is a modest budget."</p><p>When asked whether First Nations Communities on Vancouver Island will find some way to continue pollution monitoring without DFO, Mescacakani replied that most First Nations communities can barely get by with the challenges they face day to day.</p><p>	&ldquo;I suspect what will happen is that it is only when we are showing severe health concerns, as our northern Cree communities have, that we&rsquo;ll be able to start putting pressure on the International Community to put pressure back onto the Canadian government, or that we&rsquo;ll be able to pressure industry to stop producing whatever toxins are causing the harm.&rdquo;</p><p><em>Photo Credit: Sophie Bragg</em></p></p>
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      <title>Retreat from Science: Interview with Federal Scientist Peter Ross Part 2 of 2</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>			
			<description><![CDATA[On April 1, 2013 Canada will lose its sole marine contaminants research program. The loss comes as a part of a massive dismantling of science programs at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans announced in May of 2012.&#160; Peter Ross, lead researcher at Vancouver Island&#8217;s Institute for Ocean Sciences, is a recent casualty of the...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure><img width="342" height="480" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-1.jpg" class="attachment-banner size-banner wp-post-image" alt="" decoding="async" srcset="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-1.jpg 342w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-1-335x470.jpg 335w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-1-321x450.jpg 321w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-1-14x20.jpg 14w" sizes="(max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px" /><figcaption><small><em></em></small></figcaption><hr></figure><p>On April 1, 2013 Canada will lose its sole marine contaminants research program. The loss comes as a part of a massive dismantling of science programs at the Department of Fisheries and Oceans announced in May of 2012.&nbsp;Peter Ross, lead researcher at Vancouver Island&rsquo;s Institute for Ocean Sciences, is a recent casualty of the sweeping science cuts moving across the country.In this second installment of DeSmog Canada&rsquo;s interview with Ross, he discusses the importance of the scientific method as a bulwark against bias in policy-making, the danger of industrial pollutants in marine habitats, and what killer whales can tell us about our society.<p><!--break--></p>Ross also talks about why science plays an essential role in understanding what our environments are telling us. Science gives us the ability to gauge our environmental impact and, importantly, how to alleviate that impact. If we wait for our iconic species to be the &lsquo;canary in the coalmine&rsquo; for our increasingly industrialized society, we have commit ourselves to a losing battle.[view:in_this_series=block_1] &nbsp;As Ross says: &ldquo;If we're going to wait for the caribou to die, or for the killer whales to die, to save ourselves, then I would argue it's too late, because those animals &hellip; are not going to give us advance warning of a looming threat to humans, they're going to tell us it's too late.&rdquo;For Part 1 of the interview, click <a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/18/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-1">here</a>.<img alt="" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/files/A9_matriline_banner.jpg"><strong>Carol Linnitt</strong>: <em>How would you describe the relationship between science and democracy, and how policy development can be the tool that bridges the gap between scientific research and maintaining democratic institutions that represent a broad spectrum of interests?&nbsp;</em><strong>Peter Ross</strong>: That&rsquo;s a tough one. There are all sorts of different levels of science, but the scientific method is something that helps to remove the bias from our ability to observe things that are going on. In other words, as a scientist you are constantly checking yourself to make sure that what you are doing is objective, is defensible, is reproducible. Any study that we carry out gets subject to peer review before it is accepted in a journal. When you're looking through the lens of the scientific method, you&rsquo;re trying to be as objective as possible, and it&rsquo;s only then that we as scientists feel comfortable in providing advice to policy makers or managers.&nbsp;In other words, when we talk about science-based advice, it means it's defensible, it's rational, it&rsquo;s based on peer-reviewed evidence, it's based on statistically-defensible study design. It has withstood critical peer review so that it's the best we've got in terms of delivering advice to policy makers. Are you going to, as a policy maker, decide what kind of science needs to be done to suit your needs, or are you going to listen to science that's telling you, &ldquo;This is the way it is&rdquo;? If we look at the way that our civilization has grown over the last 150 to 200 years, there's little question that science and the peer review process have helped us to reap incredible socio-economic and public health benefits that really very few could argue with. And if you&rsquo;re going to turn off that input, then you&rsquo;re going to turn off the taps of science [that examines] the application of technology that you have selected. You run the risk of diminishing the role that science plays in contributing to the public good today and tomorrow.<strong>CL</strong>: <em>To the extent that there has been a reduction in scientific research and funding geared towards federal scientific bodies, do you see an influx of something else taking its place? The government&rsquo;s line is that the budget cuts affecting science programs are aimed at reducing deficits. Do you see something else gaining priority in Canadian federal politics and taking the place of science?</em><strong>PR</strong>: Not really. It&rsquo;s as simple as this: we make choices in terms of fiscal approaches to government operations. If you cut one thing, you&rsquo;re making a decision to terminate or reduce the scope of that work. If you're increasing funding for something else then you're also making a decision. At the end of the day you've got to stand by the collective mosaic that results from those decisions. If someone is saying that we have to cut 5% from every department, that&rsquo;s one thing. But when you turn around and cut 100% of a program, to me that indicates something more than fiscal restraint. It argues in favour of a targeted reduction of a program for some other reason. All of these cuts are by choice. We can all appreciate tightening the belt, but if you're completely terminating one program then you're targeting that program. Period. And that program is what we are going to lose.<strong>CL</strong>: <em>So what's the future for the Institute for Ocean Sciences?</em><strong>PR</strong>: Well the Institute for Ocean Sciences is still here. There are about 300 people that work here on ocean productivity, ocean currents, hydrography and some aspects of food web structure. But there will be no more marine pollution or monitoring here on the coast.&nbsp;<strong>CL</strong>: <em>That's devastating to hear. What does your future look like?</em><strong>PR</strong>: Tough one. I just don't know. I've been so focused trying to finish my job here. As you might imagine, when you spend 15 years setting up a laboratory, you accumulate a lot of data. We've got some graduate students. We have some papers and manuscripts that are in various stages of being published, so I've been really focused at trying my best to make sure that when I close my office door for the last time things aren't going to be left behind, but are delivered to the public and to the international scientific community, so that everything we have worked on thus far is protected. I've been pondering the job scene, but it's a little difficult when you&rsquo;re a scientist, because you've got to figure out whether you try to re-launch your laboratory and continue to do the kind of work that you have been doing, and that took 15 years to set up. It's going to be very difficult to walk into another agency and say, &ldquo;Here I am, and I&rsquo;d like to have a laboratory that'll do this, that and the other.&rdquo;&nbsp;So I come with a little bit of baggage. I'm just hoping that something might emerge here in British Columbia so that I can continue to do this work. What we do is important not only in British Columbia. We work very closely with communities in the far North and the Arctic, and on the East Coast. We work across the border with colleagues in Washington and California, and we work in other countries. Many people in many different countries have watched a lot of what we&rsquo;ve been doing. We have an international reputation. We have been working on things that are new and exciting, new techniques, new methods. We have seen some of our study designs help us understand the conservation implications of pollutants for endangered species, such as southern resident killer whales. So this sort of information is of interest not only to the scientific world, but it&rsquo;s been sought by some policy makers, managers, regulators, conservationists, and of course, members of the public. So hopefully something will emerge that works. In the meantime I'm doing my duty while applying for jobs in other parts of the world.<strong>CL</strong>: <em>I have read that your research has discovered that killer whales had a contaminant load higher than any other marine mammals.</em><strong>PR</strong>: Yes.<strong>CL</strong>: <em>So are these industrial related pollutants for the most part?</em><strong>PR</strong>: Yes. These were PCBs, the polychlorinated biphenyls. They were banned in Canada in 1976. They are very persistent, heat resistant, thick oils that we used to see in transformers for the electric industry and some other applications. But they're still around, and they're a real problem at the top of the food chain because they bio-magnify in food webs, and we can&rsquo;t get rid of them from our bodies very easily. We were working with colleagues here in the laboratory and also in the field to get biopsies from free ranging killer whales. We got biopsies from 47 animals. It&rsquo;s in the blubber that we find these sorts of chemicals, and we're not only able to measure the chemicals in that blubber, but we're able to relate it to their age, their sex and their feeding ecology.&nbsp;<img alt="" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/files/A4sinWhaleChannel_resize.jpg">We had a very strong insight into what it meant in terms of the biology of the animal and that was very, very important. We published that story twelve years ago now. That was the publication that showed that the transient killer whales and the southern resident <a href="http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/Publications/article/2006/02-01-2006-eng.htm" rel="noopener">killer whales were essentially the most PCB-contaminated marine mammals on the planet</a>. Transient killer whales had three times higher level than the beluga whales in the Saint Lawrence. Until that, those beluga were thought to be the most contaminated. That story had resonance internationally and here in the region. We quickly set about trying to figure out why they were so contaminated, and whether it was affecting their health. Over the last twelve years our work has helped to answer a lot of those questions.<strong>CL</strong>:&nbsp;<em>When you&rsquo;re look at the way that our social behaviour and industrial activity affect nature, do you feel this sort of research helps us gauge the successes and failures of society?</em><img alt="" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/files/killer%20whale_0.jpg"><strong>PR</strong>: Well there's no question. There&rsquo;s no industrial sector that would say, &ldquo;Hey, that chemical that I produced has a benefit for killer whales.&rdquo; None of these chemicals were designed to end up in killer whales. What killer whales are reminding us of are our mistakes. Our failures from a regulatory or a risk assessment stand point. Or maybe just a failure to pay attention and care about what's happening in the oceans.&nbsp;<strong>CL</strong>:&nbsp;<em>That's probably something a lot of scientists that work with specific species across Canada would agree with. I've spoken with scientists who are working on the rapid disappearance of caribou in Alberta. They say that caribou are the canary in the coalmine and help us understand the impacts of large industrial projects on the entire ecosystem.</em><strong>PR</strong>: Well that's right. But unfortunately there's one problem with the canary in the coalmine analogy. Miners had to rely on the canary dying to warn them there was a problem with methane or carbon dioxide. In dying, the canary provided a warning for humans. If we're going to wait for the caribou or the killer whales to die to save ourselves, then I would argue it's too late. These animals have such important needs in terms of habitat, they are not going to give us advance warning of a looming threat to humans, they're going to tell us it's too late.<strong>CL</strong>: <em>Do you feel there's room for progress in terms of marine contaminants, for example?</em><strong>PR</strong>: Absolutely. You know it's funny. A lot of people find our work troubling. I turn around say, &ldquo;Well, maybe that's the intent.&rdquo; But at the same time, whenever we learn more about these things, or we conduct this sort of research, or we publish these studies, we're identifying a problem. And once you identify the problem, you can enact a solution, whether it's regulation, management, source control, changing a process or an activity, or improving the conduct of households, consumers and shoppers.&nbsp;If we look back at a lot of the mistakes that we've made in the past &ndash; whether it was dioxins, PCBs, DDT or CFC's &nbsp;once we identify the problems, and that was through science, then we had management turn around and enact changes. What we see as we look back, is a problem emerge, be identified, and then gradually lessen as we made a decision to ban PCBs, DDT, CFCs or dioxins, or to regulate their release or production. Once we started doing this, we saw dramatic improvements in the health of marine mammals, sea birds, or fish-eating birds that were being affected by, for example, DDT. So yes, not always a nice story when you read about pollution. But at the same time, how else are you going to solve things and make a better environment for tomorrow?<strong>CL</strong>: <em>So, if we are pulling back from research that identifies problems, that means also we are not engaging in solutions, because the two go hand in hand?</em><strong>PR</strong>: We won't be able to define our solutions because we won&rsquo;t know what the problems are, yes. That's basically it.<em>Image Credits: Photo of Peter Ross by Lizzy Mos, used with permission. Orca photos courtesy of Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada.</em></p>
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      <title>Retreat from Science: Interview with Federal Scientist Peter Ross Part 1 of 2</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:00:00 +0000</pubDate>			
			<description><![CDATA[When the Harper government announced deep funding cuts to science programs across the country, the Institute of Ocean Sciences, one of Canada&#39;s largest marine institutes located in Sidney, B.C., was among those research outfits hurt as a result. Lead research scientist Peter Ross is one of more than one thousand Department of Fisheries and Oceans...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<figure><img width="342" height="480" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS.jpg" class="attachment-banner size-banner wp-post-image" alt="" decoding="async" srcset="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS.jpg 342w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-335x470.jpg 335w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-321x450.jpg 321w, https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/01-PETER-ROSS-14x20.jpg 14w" sizes="(max-width: 342px) 100vw, 342px" /><figcaption><small><em></em></small></figcaption><hr></figure><p>When the Harper government announced deep funding cuts to science programs across the country, the <a href="http://www.pac.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/facilities-installations/ios-ism/index-eng.htm" rel="noopener">Institute of Ocean Sciences</a>, one of Canada's largest marine institutes located in Sidney, B.C., was among those research outfits hurt as a result. Lead research scientist Peter Ross is one of more than one thousand Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) employees who discovered their position had been terminated.<p>Peter Ross is no lab coat-wearing, science nerd. At least, not entirely. He&rsquo;s an oceanic adventurer and Canada&rsquo;s preeminent orca expert. He <a href="http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/Publications/article/2006/02-01-2006-eng.htm" rel="noopener">discovered things about West Coast orcas </a>that have transformed common marine mammal knowledge around the globe. &nbsp;</p><p><img alt="" src="https://thenarwhal.ca/wp-content/uploads/files/kws%20B%20Gisborne.bmp"></p><p>Orcas on the west coast of British Columbia will no longer be monitored for contamination once Peter Ross' research concludes this spring. Come April Canada will no longer have a federal marine contaminants research program anywhere in the nation. Photo credit: Brian Grisborne, used with permission.</p><p>When you dismantle science and research programs, says Ross, you are doing much more than limiting your capacity for science and research: you restrict your capacity to engage with your environment, the source of social well-being and a flourishing economy. And you cripple your decision-making capabilities by disregarding the line that separates fact-driven, science-based decision-making from ideology or profit.</p><p>And that&rsquo;s what bothers Ross so much about the Harper government&rsquo;s recent decision to shutter many of Canada&rsquo;s prestigious scientific institutions. It&rsquo;s not simply a matter of budgetary restraint or the restructuring of federal bodies. It limits science pursued in the public interest.</p><p>This is part 1 of an interview with Peter Ross. Part 2 available <a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/21/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-2-2">here</a>.</p><p><strong>Carol Linnitt:</strong> <em>Hello, Peter. So, let me jump right in. The reason I&rsquo;m calling is because I&rsquo;d like to talk to you about the cancelled funding for the Institute of Ocean Sciences.</em></p><p><strong>Peter Ross:</strong> Yes, so the Institute will still be open, it's a large Institute, but the marine contaminants program has been axed.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And has that already happened?</em></p><p>[view:in_this_series=block_1]</p><p><strong>PR:</strong> We're still here, but we're winding down, so, in effect, probably by the springtime we'll be shut down.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And how many employees will that be? I know that you&rsquo;re heralded as Canada&rsquo;s only marine mammal toxicologist, but is there a team that you work with?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Yes, there are 55 full time staff nationally that consist of scientists, technicians and chemists, and they&rsquo;re scattered across the country. There&rsquo;s nine of us here in Sidney, B.C., probably the same number in Winnipeg for the Arctic, and then a number in Rimouski, Quebec, and a few in a couple of spots in the Maritimes.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And so by the time the spring hits, all of those . . .</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Will be gone. Probably one quarter are already gone.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So what happens when these positions get cut? Are scientists fired? Are they moved into new positions?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> That will vary. Essentially you get a letter saying that your services are no longer required, and you have three choices. One is to resign, and you've got 120 days to do so. Another is to take educational leave, which gives you two years of leave without pay, to go to school again and retrain, and then you can come back and re-apply for a new position. The third is you can apply for a position that may be open in the government right now. But you would have to work on something other than what you trained for.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>And what positions are coming open right now?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Well there's a fair bit of downsizing in the government right now, so there aren&rsquo;t a lot of jobs coming open. And for some, like myself, who are trained as research scientists, there are really no jobs coming open. I've been told that my expertise is not wanted within the government. So that&rsquo;s sort of a mixed answer. I think some of the technical staff will be more likely to find success regaining employment within government because they&rsquo;re a bit more versatile in terms of training. But for someone like me, no, there&rsquo;s very little hope that there will be any position for me, unless I want to go into management.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>What&rsquo;s the difference between a technician and a research scientist?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Training. A research scientist has a Ph.D., and within the government your job is to do ground breaking research, which you publish in international journals. You become the government&rsquo;s expert in that field, so you are appraised every year in terms of your performance, And your performance is based on the number of publications you appear in and their impact on public policy. A technician may be someone working in a laboratory or in the field, but in a supporting role for a research program, led by the research scientist.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>Does that mean that if there&rsquo;s an overall reduction in research positions, Canada is taking a step back as a country within the international scientific community?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Well, you know science is a funny thing, and it&rsquo;s often hard to do justice in defining it or describing it to a lay-audience. I think science is different things to different people. When I look at the kind of research that I do, I work for the government. I work for the Crown. I work for the taxpayer. I work on projects for which I have to raise and attract money. These are projects that ultimately help us to manage and protect our oceans. So when I look at the work that I am interested in getting involved in, or that I&rsquo;ve attracted funds to support. I&rsquo;m ultimately asking, &lsquo;Does it help me to better understand the ocean? Will it empower us to manage or protect our ocean resources?&rsquo;</p><p>If I were at a university I might do similar research, but I&rsquo;m less likely to be wed to the idea that I have to protect Canada or Canadian natural resources. Or that I have to work within the confines of a mission, a mandate, and legislative framework such as the Oceans Act, Species at Risk Act or Fisheries Act. So the way I go about science will be similar to an academic, but the context and the implications of my work will differ quite a bit, because I am on the hook and responsible for a certain file. If it emerges as an issue in Canada, if there is a public outcry about a certain chemical, process or industry, and the minister&rsquo;s office calls down for advice from us, or need answers fast, I would be one of those people that would have to jump. If I was at university, I wouldn&rsquo;t be compelled to do the same</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So your position is where the scientific rubber meets the policy road?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> I think so, yes. Ultimately, the government isn&rsquo;t in the position of just spending money on research and development for the sake of spending money on science and knowledge. It likes to know what kind of research gets done and that it will improve the government&rsquo;s ability to protect Canadians, wildlife, natural resources, Canadian sovereignty, all of those things. And that would be different for a faculty member at a university. They might have such aims, but they are not required to think in those terms.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>I see. I was speaking with Andrew Weaver from the university of Victoria recently, and he broke the nature of science production into three categories: industry-funded science, academic curiosity-driven science, and government taxpayer-funded science in the interest of the public good. He said that if we&rsquo;re seeing reductions in science being pursued for the public good, then science really gets left to industry and the academy, and neither of those have the same obligation to the public and to taxpayers.</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Well that&rsquo;s right. Industry is not going to say, &ldquo;I want to look at all ninety thousand chemicals on the Canadian market, and every problem in the ocean.&rdquo;&nbsp; What industrial sector is going to pick up that file? None. What industry can be very good at is monitoring certain effluents, or a pipe that&rsquo;s discharging contaminants within a certain sector &ndash; something that&rsquo;s really focused on a certain activity. Otherwise why would they pay for it? They&rsquo;re only going to pay for the kind of monitoring or research that has a direct bearing on the performance of their specific economic sector.</p><p>That&rsquo;s where government science is very different. I am, for example, looking at marine mammals and marine mammals aren&rsquo;t being contaminated because of a single sector. They are getting contaminated because of thousands of different sources of thousands of different chemicals in Canada, the United States, and internationally. And so, all these chemicals are essentially accidents or mistakes or processes that are leading to contamination of the ocean, and some of these chemicals build up in food webs and mammals.</p><p>Someone like me comes along and says, &ldquo;Okay, that&rsquo;s what I&rsquo;m finding, now what does that mean? Is it affecting the health of the population? And if so, where is this chemical or that chemical, or that other chemical coming from? Is it banned in Canada? Is it used as a pesticide in agriculture? Has it come from pulp mills? Does it come from sewage effluents?&rdquo; And then we track these things down and work with regulators in Ottawa and Washington, D.C. We would also potentially work with the industry that is producing the compound, or releasing it. We work with regional governments, and the province. So ultimately, what we try to do within government is that kind of 'ecosystem' approach to science, or habitat-based approach to science. That approach would be of little interest to an industrial sector. It&rsquo;s highly focused.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So if we&rsquo;re talking about something like research into contaminants in marine species, and we see a large reduction in research scientist positions, what will happen? Does it get dropped? Does it mean that we&rsquo;ll no longer be studying this issue?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> That&rsquo;s correct.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>So, no one is studying the contamination of marine environments and mammals once you close up?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Well it&rsquo;s up to whomever to do whatever they want right now. There is no leadership, there&rsquo;s no guidance, there&rsquo;s no instruction, there&rsquo;s no requirement. The only thing that&rsquo;s going to make somebody interested in working on this is going to be money. Who&rsquo;s going provide the money?&nbsp; This kind of work is very expensive. You can&rsquo;t go out in the ocean and understand what&rsquo;s going on without access to boats, expensive sampling gear and partners in multiple sectors to help you understand all the other processes that are important from the perspective of pollution. This applies whether it's ocean currents, ocean productivity, or the life history of different species or food web structures.</p><p>The lab work is very expensive. We have two lines of research that we have been applying routinely in our study designs. One is, what are the health implications of the chemicals to which they're exposed? That&rsquo;s toxicology. That&rsquo;s looking at the health of salmon, the health of seals, the health of killer whales, and it is very difficult, very expensive work. The other involves what chemicals they are exposed to. That&rsquo;s chemistry. We have to get samples from animals, measure those chemicals, and it can cost two thousand dollars to measure a single sample. So if we eliminate these programs, the work is going to be left up to people other than government, which means universities or industry. Somebody might do something, but are they going to be compelled to be responsible for everything? No.</p><p><strong>CL:</strong> <em>It&rsquo;s not just your outfit that&rsquo;s had its funding cut and positions lost. This is happening all across Canada, with similar research. What is the significance of that for Canada?</em></p><p><strong>PR:</strong> Well I think that it&rsquo;s easy to ignore research and science when one is operating in the mainstream of Canadian public life or society.&nbsp; We often don&rsquo;t see the immediate benefits or applications of science. I think we forget that the well being of our human population, our quality of life, is largely dependent on a healthy environment. And I think we often forget that it&rsquo;s scientific research that has led us to discover and uncover a lot of that wealth and to harness it. But we ignore it when that same science also identifies limits to our wealth generation, development, or ways in which we can channel development so that it&rsquo;s constructive and not negatively impacting aspects of society or the economy.</p><p>I think we often forget the inherent and intrinsic value of science and how it does, and has, contributed to the Canada we know today. If we start to ignore scientists and the expertise within the Canadian scientific establishment, we will be losing the ability to manage our future success, the ability to understand threats to the Canadian way and the ability to adapt and grow. We will, I think, lose a little bit of control over our future. It&rsquo;s by having our finger on the pulse of what&rsquo;s happening in the ocean, the freshwater environment or terrestrial habitats that allows us to provide advice that will help us manage those things and to maintain vibrant economies associated with the coastal waters, the oceans, freshwater ecosystems, or terrestrial environments. So I think it&rsquo;s diminishing our ability to adapt, to manage, to predict, and to maintain the investment that we have in the Canadian way of life.</p><p>Read <a href="https://thenarwhal.ca/2013/01/21/retreat-science-interview-federal-scientist-peter-ross-part-2-2">Part 2 of Retreat from Science</a>.</p><p>Cover Image Credit: Lizzy Moss, used with permission.</p></p>
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